Spectral Homicide
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Spectral Homicide
Manson Dance part 2
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As the journey continues Charlie and his angels just get more violent and more deranged. You will not believe how all of this connected in the end.
ruined it. Well, you know, sometimes. Uh and of course it was Roman Polanski. Yeah, so she met Roman in 66. Um she actually, you know, they did uh they did Rosemary's Baby too. I didn't realize that. And then they got married in 1969 and that's when they moved to Cellow Drive, right? You're gonna be fucking blown away how all this shit connects because I was like, how the hell did all this happen? Right? So she was stabbed five times in the chest and back, which penetrated her heart, lungs, liver, and caused massage internal hemorrhaging.
SPEAKER_01See, how do they misspell Helter skelter multiple times, but they know exactly where to target on a body?
SPEAKER_02I think they were just high as fuck and they just stabbed whoever they were just like I would hate to be stabbed there. So the baby was a boy um because she was eight months pregnant. Paul Richard Polansky that was his name. She was bad so Abigail she was the she was the one that she was so she was like tiring of this guy, you know, Frykowski. So she was actually she was rich, you know, very very privileged and so she spent a lot of time trying to like do these like betterment projects for like different communities, you know spent a lot of time.
SPEAKER_01So a good Nepo baby.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god she was such she really did so she made her debut in San Francisco in 1961. She graduated from Radcliffe um she wanted she wanted to do something meaningful you know she wanted to like she wanted to be involved in social work. In 1968 that's when she met Voytek who more people need to be like her she she actually was good friends with Sharon Tate um because they were like you know couples have a couple that they hang out with this was kind of their couple because yeah I wouldn't know Fry Kosky like you know what is it Fry fuck look I'm just gonna call him Voy okay so Voy was buddies with Roman and like that's how Sharon and you know fucking um and fucking Abigail met. And so like she was basically she was getting fucking tired of hanging out with them because like he talked about how he was like a writer and everything. Honestly did was like he was a womanizer and he was kind of like free lover.
SPEAKER_01Oh so he was a slut.
SPEAKER_02Yeah pretty much um so he so she was 29 and he was um 32 when she died so it was really sad uh the guy JC's JC bring how he comes into the picture was Abigail was going to he's that hairstylist guy she was gonna invest in his company because he was getting ready to go international like he was hang on so yeah he was basically yeah sorry I'll go on to him take her time so voic was living off Abigail's money she was getting fucking tired of it she really was um I think she was getting ready to be on the outs and she was just kind of over it okay so yes Jay let's get into him he was the top men's oh he's fab yeah wasn't he gorgeous oh he's fab yeah so he was the top men's hairstylist in the US and he was the one that was really curving the market on like men's hair like men always like you know in the 60s and the 70s and stuff 50s they did like 60s 70s um they did like the pompadours and stuff like that so men's hair is pompadours were so cool they were they were they look pretty damn good like they're cuntsy I'm sorry I love pompadours he's the one that was like responsible for like that fucking fabulous 80s hair that you see on all those fucking men 70s and 80s that's when stuff started to really like change you know it went from the slick down look to hey it's alright you can actually carefree yeah you can actually have a little wispy hairs but um it was really sad you know um he had customers including Frank Sinatra Peter Lawford George Peppard Paul Newman Steve McQueen um he was getting his company was called Seabring International um oddly enough so he was a slut yeah I mean I mean I would be too if I looked like that look at that I mean even his eyebrows were good and in the 80s they were fuck you they didn't even give a fuck about eyebrows in the 80s right so oh they really didn't no they really didn't they did in the 90s babe you could join us it's fine so but he was here he was a freak yeah like one of the things like he was freaky freaky so honestly had he not been killed that night they probably would have thought he had something to do with it just because he was just so fucking wild um apparently he would type his girlfriends and occasionally whip him whip them before that is not that bad no but back then that was extremely like no man no you don't do that shit with the summer of love what are we talking about the summer of love but they didn't whoop not the summer of not the summer of BDSM yeah they didn't do SM back then that wasn't why Chris is trying not to laugh that was why okay the summer of love I thought they would be kinky as hell back then I guess I was wrong no because they were bush appreciators back then I thought that maybe like oh yeah fuck around time me up you know but they weren't beating bushes they were just handing them out like I wasn't there I wasn't there either they were handing out they were handing out bushes like Candy and Chlamydia baby it went everywhere they didn't have the clap they had the applause so basically um it was a gunshot and seven step with his mom that liberated him from his insecurities basically he was like because you know standing ovation standing ovulation oh stop but uh some of the other victims now we're gonna go on to like Steve Parent so look I'm not saying this is gonna be such a dick thing to say yeah so he brings his fucking radio over in some high-fi fucking equipment because that was his fucking hobby he brings it to the caretaker the caretaker's like nah I don't fucking want it and so then he's like get out and he's like fuck dude alright but he didn't tell Charles Manson to get out right okay Charles Manson wasn't there no but he was once oh that that's gonna come up too so um didn't tell him to get the fuck out oh my god so here's another thing so now we're gonna get into the other people that were taken out so this crime scene with Sharon Tate and and that little little you know go to this crime scene he sent three girls using his LSD and sexual mind and one guy to this crime scene so these three fucking women and this one guy killed all five of those people at that fucking house. That man Charles Manson actually is um was at the neighbor's house um at uh lean at the La Bianca's family um so uh Lena LaBianca had a he founded a wholesale grocer company so he was fucking just CEO gross yeah he was he was making a lot of money um guess how many times he was stabbed 26 Jesus Christ 26 times because 25 just wouldn't do it oh right yeah no you gotta be you gotta make sure you gotta be thorough his wife Rosemary was 38 absolutely beautiful smell like Selena she had been adopted uh she'd been orphaned as a child right and she was adopted when she was 12 um she actually met her husband Leno as a waitress because she had two children from a previous marriage um yeah and then she became a fucking she became this fucking boss ass fucking businesswoman and she created this fucking boutique and made two point six million dollars oh that was like billionaire back then she was stabbed 41 times six of them um six of them were enough to have just caused her death but they just kept going oh because because 40 just wouldn't have done I mean they were just fucking nuts so ruthless uh wait until you hear all this shit ties together you're not even gonna fucking believe it so um in a very thorough book helter skelter prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi um blames most of the fucking issues that they had with Manson and his fucking crew on the LAPD yeah and the fucking and the Los Angeles fucking uh homicide department so yeah it's crazy um he said that the tape murders and the LaBianca murders were the following night and the murder of Gary Hinman a few days earlier that because of the lack of fucking um ability he's bad yeah he is bad he's horrible actually oh wait till you didn't mean that one no no he's oh so um yeah so get this shit right because that was embarrassing holy shit because uh LAPD and the fucking sheriff's department watch out Los Angeles take my time take your time Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office refused to fucking communicate regarding this shit even though it's happening in the same fucking area as a result they fucking slipped through the cracks it went on for so fucking long they were able to fucking kill more people yeah because the LHP or they wouldn't fucking do it so yeah so then none of this would have happened if they just let Charles stay in prison. This is what happened so Gary Henman was killed on July 31st he was a music teacher right he was the one who was letting them fucking stay with him and they fucking killed him and wrote political piggy on the fucking wall in his blood. These people don't know politics at all no they fucking don't so they killed like the one good billionaire in like the Folger lady they killed like the one good billionaire's coffee grandpa drinks it so get this shit right so all of these fucking crime scenes the victim's blood is used to fucking write all these fucking awful fucking messages right right they're all connected but the fucking police and the fucking sheriff wouldn't fucking talk to each other about no man I ain't talking to them I ain't talking to them either well we could probably we could potentially have a serial killer on our fucking hands guess what we're not gonna fucking talk about that though and so shit just kept happening.
SPEAKER_01I wonder who killed the most people in the Manson family.
SPEAKER_02Oh you're about to find out oh okay yeah so um then we get into the guy that said oh he's bad yeah he's fucking bad please tell me that's not your fucking type otherwise we're gonna have to continue therapy I don't have a type yeah please don't let it be that type because I he looks a little musty I like it you do have a type shut your bitch ass up Sam bitch that is your type you were by that man's face oh my god no you wouldn't no you would not not that way um so Bobby Buselli was the one who killed fucking Gary Hinman the teacher and uh wrote political pinky on the wall that was the one that did that right oh so that's a stupid one yeah so he was the one he was also living with um the fucking hippies led by Charles Manson aw his little boyfriend but the sheriff's office um they had arrested Bobby and about this fucking murder right and they found out he was living with the fucking Manson family and people had talked about the fucking Manson family about these other murders but guess what did they fucking connect it? No no they didn't so guess what happened so um William Garrison when he was fucking taken in he claimed he slept with the entire fucking ordeal and so he fucking he passed the polygraph you know and they're like oh okay first of all I'm sorry even if he passed the fucking polygraph I would have fucking kept him I would have kept him now yes okay he was fucking innocent garrettson was innocent he didn't fucking kill anybody but he was there that night when five people were murdered he's still guilty he may not have killed them but he was still guilty guilty of being a fucking idiot so the LAPD was investigating fucking dope dealers about the fucking stuff that happened at fucking I mean they would know Polanski Palace right well they fucking they I mean they were fucking looking at like they were looking at the mafia they were looking at fucking like here hang on there's all of these ones hang on so they thought that drug dealers did it oh wait hang on it could have been could have been satanists they were fucking like connecting Sharon Tate to fucking Satanists and orgies so basically what they did the news fucking took this whole fucking night eight months pregnant this one was yes I realize some are free love and free pussy however the fucking news said that there was a huge orgy going on involving drugs at Sharon Tate's house that night and that Satanists had sacrificed her. Oh my fucking god this is all during that satanic panic by the way yeah I know it started in the 60s and went on to the 80s so Roman Polanski might meanwhile so all this shit so where the fuck was he in Europe guess when he came back what August 15th dude your wife died your wife and your fucking child died the end of fucking July the end of July what where are you what why did it take you fucking so long to come back because he's Roman Polanski and he's a piece of shit and there's sure so so guess what they said so guess who's fucking guess who started really breaking this case open by the way Sharon Tate's dad guess who her dad was who he was a fucking colonel he was a former army intelligence officer right and he was so fucking irritated with the fucking police and the sheriff's department he's like fuck this I'm gonna go undercover and I'm gonna do it myself because he's like I bet you it was a bunch of fucking hippies it was ding ding ding yeah he's the one that fucking made the connection he fucking grew his hair out he grew a beer he started going to heap fucking hippie joints and drug markets and he would get some fucking information and guess what he came across a fucking kid a 10 year old boy summer it was September 1969 10 year old boy found a gun on his lawn in Sherman Oaks he took the 22 caliber high standard lawn cord revolver to his father his dad called the LAPD right but none of this was getting and what did they do with that play with it in their butt are you ready um they went in storage they put it in storage but get this shit right um they said that it was used on the Tate victims but they filed away and they forgot about it. Oh my god they put it in the evidence socker so how it came to fucking light was current was fucking Tate's dad was the one that was like hey I've been looking into this where's that fucking where's that gun you know he's the one that fucking brought it to light and then they started connecting the dots so um after the murders had been separately pursued by the care the police of the sheriff's office um her dad was able to connect the the Sharon Tate and her friend's murders and the La Bianca cases so now because her dad had done so much undercover investigation work he was the one that was able to tie it back to Charles Manson. Now do you want to know why? Because you touched on a little bit you touched on a little bit so you did talk about uh the spawn ranch right uh so Gary Hinman and um that led them to the fucking spawn ranch because Gary Hinman was actually the one that sent the fucking people to spawn ranch. He was friends with the fucking with the caretaker there right so um Bobby Buselli was the one that that's the picture yeah no that's the picture of the thing yeah yeah so hide my face he still he does look like those fucking those girls though so you can't see my face right so Bobby and Susan were actually connected to the Manson family um because Bobby was the one that like worked on the property at Spawn Ranch and he was with Susan Atkins that was his fucking girlfriend 17 year old girlfriend right so Bobby kills one of the other workers who was getting ready to snitch to the old man that owned the fucking property about all the fucking killing and shit that the mansion the one they were jacking off oh my god yeah so this guy's like he's not saying anything about these people fucking being there right he's like oh yeah it's fine there's cool all these women are here they're giving him handies you know and all this other shit you know it's all good um but then Susan Atkins admitted that she went to with Buselli to the Hinman's home to get some money that he had inherited right they were basically going to like because he was friends with them for a while they were all staying at Hinman's right yeah that's how that's how they ended up going over to Spark it's so crazy. So they're staying at Hinman's Hinman knows Buselli Buselli was friends with the guy who was the groundskeeper at the fucking ranch right right so then everybody goes and they fucking move over there right but then Buselli goes back and he's like hey I heard you got some money for me blah blah blah because automatically they're fucking grifters and they're trying to get what they can for free right and Hinman wouldn't give it to him so he killed him. So then after that they slashed his face by the way yeah yeah so yeah and so this is after they kept him prisoner in his own home for two days torturing him and then killed him yeah free love free love together so um they didn't connect it to uh the fucking Lobianka and the Tate murders because they just because the fucking lack of fucking complacency with the fucking uh or the lack of lack of communication between the sheriffs and the fucking police they just weren't connecting the dots right you know how they connected the dots fucking Susan Atkins they fucking you know Buselli's fucking girlfriend she goes to fucking jail and I can't remember what she got arrested for. Probably prostitution but no you know you're right it was it was how the fuck did I guess that no she was selling ass so they fucking they fucking put her in the fucking women's detention center right she starts talking to you know Ronnie Howard who was one of her bunk mates and another chick who was in there right and she's talking I love you too Ike um so she starts talking up to these fucking women and she's like crazy you know she's like bragging about these fucking women I've heard about her yeah I've seen her yeah yeah she's fucking wild she is wild she's like an exotic cricket oh she looks like an exotic cricket an exotic cricket so she's sitting there telling all these women that she fucking killed these people and they didn't fucking believe her right but she was fucking nuts she's going around she's talking about all this fucking shit they did she's dancing around and singing weird shit at weird times they're like this chick is fucking crazy LSD and sexual abuse right so then um she told that her lover was Charlie Jesus Christ and he was going to lead her to a hole in the album her hole in the earth in Death Valley where there was civilization down there. So she was like this bitch is nuts right November 6th she was in a talk mood and then she started talking about the tape murders because everybody knew about that. Before she was blowing it off right she's like whatever no who cares whatever but then she starts talking about the tape murders and she goes into detail and so then Virginia one of her bunkmates is like did you do it she goes sure yeah yeah we did it. Do you know why they did it they want to do a crime so fucking horrible that the whole world would fucking take notice so that's why they did they that's why they did so um so you said there were four of them three girls and a man who all have been given their instructions by Charlie when they got to the gate the man cut the telephone wires they shot the teenager four times because he had seen them are they is is there is your ringtone playing on the video right now I don't think so so hope not I hope not. So basically um so when Frykowski saw him they said he started running for the door and so then they started they he was bleeding when he ran from the front part and would you believe him hollering help help somebody please help me and nobody came and then we finished him off and they said Sharon was the last one to die and she said please don't kill me please don't kill me I don't want to die I want to live I want to have my baby I want to have my baby Susan just looked at Sharon in the eye and said, Look, bitch, I don't care about you. I don't care if you're gonna have the baby. You better be ready, you're gonna die, and I don't feel anything about it in a few minutes. I killed her. That's what she said. Quote, direct fucking quote, right? So then she said that she fucking wrote that stuff in Sharon's blood and tasted it. She said, Wow, what a trip to take life and give it at the same time.
SPEAKER_00What the fuck? You didn't give life, bitch.
SPEAKER_02That's what I'm saying. So um she said, and then she said, I thought you understood. I loved her, and in order for me to kill her, I was killing part of myself when I killed her. What? Just weird, right? Just fucking weird. And so Summer of Love, right? Summer of love. So she actually fucking knew when she was leaving that she had forgotten her fucking knife. It was a very unique knife. It wasn't it wasn't like a um what was that thing called on the end of bayonet? It was just a hand-carved knife that she left it at the crime scene. And she had her palm print and blood on the dresser. So that's how she ended up connecting that. And then she tied Charlie and everybody else all to it, right? Because she can't keep her fucking mouth shut. Um so here's it, here's what happens. Here's how it all comes to fruition, right? So Terry Melcher was the son of Doris Day. Doris Day? Yes. Holy shit. Yes. So that song that you talked about, you know. So he's the one that introduced him to the Beach Boys, right? Yeah, you're right. The Beach Boy guy? What was his name again?
SPEAKER_01Uh just say Wilson.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well Dennis Wilson. Dennis Wilson. So I don't know how he met Melcher. Um, he did meet Dennis Wilson because of when we're hanging out over there, right? The hitchhikers, yeah. The hitchhikers, right? So he's hanging out with the Beach Boy guy, and he's like, man, this is cool. So Melcher and What the hell are you chewing on? I no thank you. That's my highlighter. Why are you so evil? What are you doing? You have toys. Why are you taking my things? So, so basically, what happens is Melcher had promised him money from the royalties from that song that the Beach Boys did, right? That they completely changed. Why did they change it? Because they didn't want to pay him. Yeah, because he fucking destroyed their car. Yeah, so I get it. But he didn't see it that way. Of course he didn't, because he's crazy, right?
SPEAKER_01So Melcher wasn't- He didn't destroy it.
SPEAKER_02Melcher had promised him a bunch of shit that he wasn't gonna get. Charlie had completely inflated the importance of this fucking song and stuff, and his relationship with Melcher in his mind to be something that it wasn't.
SPEAKER_01So Charlie uh Manson was also a musician, sorry. Oh yeah, no, he was. Forgot to mention he's got a I hate to say it, but his album is banger.
SPEAKER_02Um, he I mean, he was actually a talented artist.
SPEAKER_01He was very talented.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and it's really unfortunate because even the schools and stuff that he went to as a kid, they said that he was horrible at academics, but he excelled at music. They said he was fantastic at music. Um, other than that, but so basically what happens is, you know, that guy fucking promises money. He's not gonna get the money, he's pissed off, so then as a result, he just goes on this fucking like killing spree, right? He shows up at the fucking killing by proxy. Yeah, he shows up at Palon Pulansky's house several times because he was brought there by Melcher, right? Melcher Melcher the Felcher. So they bring him to the fucking house, and like, you know, Sharon Tate's like, dude, this guy gives me the creeps. Please don't bring him over, right? Well, then he just kept showing up. I don't know why. In Charlie's mind, he thought that that was their house. He didn't like he thought it was Melcher's house. He didn't know it was Roman's house.
SPEAKER_01I've had that happen, I've had that happen before.
SPEAKER_02Maybe it was like I maybe Melcher did own the house and Roman was renting it for him, so that's why. But Melcher wasn't.
SPEAKER_01Could have been a management situation.
SPEAKER_02It could have been, it could have been. Um, but basically what happens is Charlie and them keep showing up at this house and they're like, dude, he doesn't fucking live here. Like, go away, right? She said it gave him the creeps, right? But it just pissed him off because he's like, this lying fucking bitch. So that's why they came back, is because they're like, hey, he owes us fucking money, and we're gonna take it out of his ass. They did not give a fuck who was there that night. So Charlie said, uh, you take out these guys. I don't even know why. There is really no reasoning why he took out those other people. Like, I don't know why he took it, why maybe just to rob them? I I don't know. I don't think about the fucking murders and stuff. And then they're like, oh shit. So she told her fucking bunk mates in the prison, right? And the prison inmates are trying to fucking tell the guards, hey, we need to talk to LAPD. They're fucking ignoring them, like, fuck you, right? Totally ignoring these bitches, like they don't know anything, don't know anything, right? And then finally, I don't know how they finally got somebody to listen to them, but this chick Victoria starts saying, Hey, no, you don't understand. No, Virginia, not Victoria. Virginia gets gets a list of celebrity targets that were next that they were gonna fucking hit Charles Charles Manson and his wife.
SPEAKER_01Wasn't wasn't one of them Doris Day? No. Oh no, I think she was dead.
SPEAKER_02No, that that was just that was just Doris Day's. Oh, yeah, that house was Doris. That was uh Melcher's house. That was it says I knew it. I highlighted that. That's that's how it was connected. So Melcher brought them to the house when he lived there, but then he rented it out to Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate. And so Charlie and them kept showing up and they're giving them creeps. So, but guess who they were gonna fucking go after? Um, Richard Burton, Elizabeth Taylor, Frank Sinatra, Elizabeth Taylor McQueen, and Tom Jones. Um, it was important to select victims that would shock the world. Oh, so fucking for Sinatra would have shocked everyone. Oh, wait till you hear what they were gonna fucking do to them. So this is when people started fucking listening. I don't know why it took this fucking long. So she planned to carve the words helter skelter on Elizabeth's face with a red hot knife and then gouge her eyes out.
SPEAKER_01She would castrate because Elizabeth Taylor's eyes were like this uh purple.
SPEAKER_02Oh god, the most beautiful eyes ever. Holy shit, she's gorgeous. Um, she was gonna castrate Richard Burton and put his penis along with Elizabeth Taylor's eyes in a bottle and mail it to Eddie Fisher. That's some Rasputin shit. Oh no, it gets worse. They were gonna skin Sinatra alive um while he listened to his own music, and they're going to make purses out of his skin and sell them to hippie shops.
SPEAKER_01I don't think they would take them.
SPEAKER_02Tom Jones would have his throat slit, but only after being forced to have sex with Susan Atkins.
SPEAKER_01Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_02I'm telling they had a very specific plan. You couldn't be any more specific. So I mean then at least they know what they want. Um so then, you know, more people started coming forward. There was a biker gang that used to hang out at that ranch called the uh Straight Satans.
SPEAKER_01I heard about that, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and so they had that weird eye. Yeah, the only time, the only reason why they started listening to these women who were trying to tell them what the hell was going on was when the biker gang started saying, Hey, this is like this is what we heard and this is what's going on. And then, like, hey, guess what? Somebody else is talking about this. Are you fucking kidding me? Nobody ever listens to women. No, they don't. And then, um, you know, Sharon Kate.
SPEAKER_01Ew, he was bald.
SPEAKER_02That was actually one of their victims.
SPEAKER_01Oh. Yeah. Wait, I th I saw the swastika and I thought it was Charlie. Hmm. No, like that.
SPEAKER_02No, that's that's not a swastika. Oh that's a birthmark. How unfortunate.
SPEAKER_01How well it he looks like him from my angle.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I mean, I could see that.
SPEAKER_01We can edit that out.
SPEAKER_02We will. So um, then they fucking came forward and the uh the the ranch hand that they fucking killed, uh, his name was Donald Shea. Um, Donald Shea and uh Bruce Davis was also um another person that they killed. And they said they were gonna carve him up like a Thanksgiving turkey. Jesus Christ. Yeah. They said they cut him into nine pieces. They cut his head off, cut his arms off too, so there was no way they could possibly identify him, and they were laughing. They did this to the fucking the caretakers, the other caregivers that were at the fucking spawn ranch. So um finally, you know, after people are telling all of them, they came, you know, all these bikers came forward and they were telling him about it, and they're like, hey, you know, this person's been missing for an awful long time. Like, hey, did you know that these women were talking about this in prison? Yeah. So that's how it all connected. So um, but they did say that uh if ever a kid had a miserable start in life, Manson was get he was destined, you know, unfortunately, by and Eileen Warnos.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we gotta talk about her one of these episodes.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So um, by the way, so Charles Manson's dad was another colonel figure. Um, his biological father He was a colonel. Yes, he was.
SPEAKER_01I remember, yeah. He was also a con artist.
SPEAKER_02So his mom was Kathleen Maddox. Um, she was a 16-year-old who drank a lot, got into a lot of trouble, kept running away from home, ended up going back, got pregnant from this Colonel Scott of Ashland, filed for child support, was never given child support.
SPEAKER_01Um he said that he was going out into the field. He apparently uh wasn't even in the military at that time, and then she realized that he was never coming back, so she got married.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um, so in 1933, at age 15, my mother ran away from home. That's when she met that guy. Basically, people were saying that she was a slut and everything else.
SPEAKER_01I mean a little, but God forbid.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it was like she was also 16. Well, 15, then 16, but it was like she just her mom was extremely fucking abusive. I heard about that. Emotionally fucking abusive to her. I mean, it was horrible. Like she, you know, she couldn't use a comb because hussies used combs, she had to use a brush. She couldn't have her hair down because only whores wear their hair down. She had to have it braided.
SPEAKER_00You're pulling your hair back.
SPEAKER_02Wouldn't whores have their hair up? Yeah, well, and then you'd think more, you know, but I mean it was just bad. And so anytime if she would get upset and her father would comfort her, her mother would talk some shit about that too. I mean, it was like I she just couldn't win. She, I mean, her her mom was fucking awful. Her dad was better, but she really was not able to have a real relationship with her dad because her mom resented her. So that's why she kept running away from home and then she got pregnant, and I mean it was just a whole thing. Um, she did sell uh Charles Manson for a picture of beer one time.
SPEAKER_01I remember that, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yep, yep. She was at a fucking she was at a bar or a restaurant and she was having a beer, and the waitress said, Oh, I would love to have a baby. And she said, You can have this one for a pitcher of beer. So she handed him over. Um, his uncle went back a few days later to find the waitress and get Charles back. I mean, honestly, probably should have fucking left him alone. He would he would have been way better off. You know, you would think so. You would think so. So I mean, it's just fucking like you went on his his early life and stuff, so you did talk about it. Uh it was just it was horrible. You know, like he just, you know, just they said his um he had a marked degree of rejection and stability and psychic trauma. So his illegitimacy, small physical size, and lack of parental love caused him to constantly strive for status with other boys. He was like five. This could only add up to a fairly slick institutionalized youth, quoted by Dr. Block. That was one of the doctors at um at one of the places that he went to. That was uh that was the one in um DC. They said he had an IQ of 109, a literary and that is actually antisocial. Music was average, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So I mean aggressively antisocial, too.
SPEAKER_02Aggressively antisocial. Yep. He was an institution politician. So uh, anyways, you you went into his history and stuff like that, but it's like talking about like thinking about all these fucking victims and everything, it was just so horrible. Just so so horrible. Yeah, you know, so the Helter Skelter that came from, you know, basically Charles Mantle was trying to start a race war um because he misinterpreted a song by the Beatles.
SPEAKER_01Oh, because it was the white album. Okay. Yeah, it's from the white album. Like okay, yeah. I see the confusion, but I also don't because he was also legitimately fucking stupid.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and so that's what he was trying to do. So by him cre you know, make you know, creating this fucking race war, how he was gonna do it was he was gonna do all these crimes and write helter skelter on it, and that was gonna start a race war. Somehow. Somehow. And the reason and that's another yeah, it is, but race war like this. But yeah, so that's another and another reason why they were writing pigs on things is because the Black Panthers would call the cops the pigs.
SPEAKER_01I mean, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So I mean that's that's what it was. That's what they were doing. It's horrible, just absolutely horrible. So he was, you know, he went after fucking he had his friends go after fucking Sharon Tate and them at that house because he was like, this guy owes me money. God didn't even fucking live there. Just uh it's just bad. It was just bad. He's not very smart. No, and that is the um horrible fucking story of Charles Manson. Oh wait, hold on. Wait, she's got more. She got more.
SPEAKER_01Um April 11th, 2012, it was uh it was confirmed that he wouldn't have been eligible for considering parole until 2027 when he would have been 93. Um he had a history of controlling behavior, obviously. In the past, he may have been he was dis misdiagnosed with schizophrenia. His mental his mental health was reevaluated in 2023, and it was concluded that he most likely had bipolar disorder and psychopathy, which psychopathy, I'm pretty sure, because I was in this class, not I was in a psychology class not too long ago, psychology serial killers class. Psychopathy is a symptom, not a diagnosis, um, according to the DSM 5. I could be wrong. It is mostly a symptom, but it's not really a diagnosis.
SPEAKER_02Which one is that?
SPEAKER_01Psychopathy. We were in the same class. We did. Well, I took it years before, but um it's pretty cool.
SPEAKER_02Um I do know that untreated bipolar disorder does turn into psychosis, which can cause psychopathic tendencies.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So on January 1st, uh 2017, Manson was rushed to the hospital for gastrointestinal bleeding. He died November 15th, 2017. Um, like three days after his birthday. Um, he was, I think, like 83, 83, yeah. 83. Uh, he had three kids.
SPEAKER_02He had gotten married too.
SPEAKER_01I remember he was married a couple times.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but like even in prison, like right before he died, like, there was some young chick that made it.
SPEAKER_01Who would go through with that?
SPEAKER_02I don't even fucking know. But I did I mean, I would probably for the lore. No, no, no. So I remember there was this one person. Now, listen, okay. I like everybody. I get along with just about everybody. So if there is somebody I don't like, there's a reason for it. They had that shit coming, they full on earned it. Right? Oh, if you hear screaming in the background, I promise nobody's dying over there.
SPEAKER_01Jesus fucking Christ, they're like 80 pounds. How are their footsteps so heavy?
SPEAKER_02Uh, there's a sleepover go screaming, it's actually quite hysterical until you're trying to sleep. Um, but until you have a 12-hour shift that's oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, so get this, right? So, excuse me, sorry, I'm burping. Ew. Yeah, I know, gross. Um, I remember that he had gotten married and it wasn't too long before Valentine's Day. And there was this person who like I used to be friends with them, but they were honestly a total cunt. I said it. Um, we were really good friends, and then we just weren't because they're cunt, cunt, cunt, cunt, cunt, cunt. And so they got dumped, and uh, you know, I I felt bad at the time that they got dumped, but then they had done a whole bunch of shady shit to me.
SPEAKER_01And so then Is this who I think it is?
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_01So you told me about this.
SPEAKER_02I did. As soon as I told them, I was like, You can't say their name.
SPEAKER_00I won't, I won't say their name, but I got close. Uh no, no, no. I don't remember. It was Valentine's Day. And I was working in a grocery store. In a Valentine's Day in a grocery store is actually pretty humorous.
SPEAKER_02Um, I oh, that's a whole fucking other thing. But they were all fucking bummed out because they found out that you know that that they got dumped. And I was like, wow, that's a bummer. Did you hear Charles Manson got married? Can you believe that Charles Manson has a Valentine and you don't?
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, yeah, because fuck them.
SPEAKER_01I think that's the meanest thing you've ever said.
SPEAKER_02I'm not a mean person. You know what? So I'm saying, listen, I'm nice to everybody.
SPEAKER_01That bitch had it coming.
SPEAKER_02She had it coming. If I am mean, they they fucking did something to deserve that shit because I'm nice to everybody. So, do you have any closing remarks or anything?
SPEAKER_01Um, being river killer, like familial. Um not like we're related to him. No, no, no. But we are we're from Tacoma, so we were like, she was alive during all that.
SPEAKER_02My first ex-husband best friend actually worked with Gary Ridgway.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah. Didn't he say he was a weird guy with a high libido?
SPEAKER_02No, not like a high libido. He just said he was a weird guy. But this is coming from my first, yes, my first ex-husband, guys. There's two fucking ex-husbands, and let me tell you, ex and why did I even fucking do that? But it's okay. But I'm just the charm. Third time's the charm, not for everybody. But um, but you know, his best friend was like, yeah, he was a weird dude, and I'm thinking, you're a weird fucking dude. Like, I'm sorry. Like, no, this guy was a fucking weirdo too. That's uh look, I never liked that guy.
SPEAKER_01I just didn't even think you liked your ex.
SPEAKER_02I didn't, you know, I was just young and dumb. I thought I knew everything, found out the hard way. I didn't.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And I was a little kid. I was like, oh my god, we're gonna die.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because it was Ted Bundy actually snitched on the Green River Killer. Oh, we should do an episode on the Green River Killer.
SPEAKER_02Oh, and Ted Bundy.
SPEAKER_01Oh duh.
SPEAKER_02So much, so much.
SPEAKER_01Well, anyways, um, we hope that I think Ted Bundy will be your episode because I've done a lot of research on the Green River Killer. Yeah. I did my final part. I wasn't there. Uh, I think it was like the 60s, but I guess that's please.
SPEAKER_02Okay, well, you guys have an awesome fucking week. Um, I am going to post the rest of our host Hotel Josephine episode, and I'm gonna do some editing on this one. For some reason, and I don't know why, it will not let me post for a whole hour. Um, Buzzsprout said that I can post it for an hour, but for whatever reason, it the most I can upload at a time is like 27 minutes. That's my max so far.
SPEAKER_01That is so stupid.
SPEAKER_02It's it's something to do.
SPEAKER_01But you can post the whole video to YouTube, right? Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02I don't know why. I really don't know why it does that. Um, but it just does, it just doesn't finish uploading, it just kicks it out. So um we are working on getting on Spotify.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah. Um, we have an Anton LeVay episode in the works right now. We we will that can be both of us.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Lots of stuff. I don't want to read that whole fucking book. You're better at reading than me.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, I've I'm fast at it. But oh, and we do we are gonna do I'm fast at research. We have a lot of like Salem Witch trial stuff too coming up too.
SPEAKER_01Um she can read, I can't.
SPEAKER_02I have a lot of pictures to post from some of the stuff that we've talked about. Um, I will post the stuff from the museum that we went to. Um Gray Face? Graveface, yeah. I I haven't posted those pictures yet, but it'll show like some of the things we got to see. It's really neat. Um, but yeah. So you guys have an amazing week and we will see you later.
SPEAKER_01See you later. Bye! Toodles
